July 27 2012; Davie, FL, USA; Miami Dolphins linebacker Karlos Dansby (58) answers questions from reporters after a teams practice at the Dolphins training facility. Mandatory Credit: Steve Mitchell-US PRESSWIRE

Some Dolphins Players Don’t Get It


Not all of the players are unhappy with the way things are being shook up in Miami.  Not all of the players are creating a stir or voicing their discontent. Some of these players are trying to learn to play the new systems, make the roster, and fight to win games.   There are some however that simply don’t get it.  Vontae Davis is out the door, Brandon Marshall is out the door, Chad Johnson is out the door.  Surely someone else will follow soon.  And with each veteran who is shown the door, someone in the locker room want’s it known they don’t agree.

“Shocked”, “Dismayed”, “I don’t know what to think”, and “I don’t know what the organization is doing” are just some of the quotes that have been tossed around from inside the locker room following the Vontae Davis release.  Some in the media have been waiting to pounce on the Dolphins Joe Philbin or continue to toss barbs at GM Jeff Ireland and are using these latest volleys as a way to get their shot.

What some of these Dolphins players don’t realize is who exactly they are “shocked and awed” about losing.  Should we take a look?  Maybe if some of these players took a look they would see exactly why the Dolphins are moving in a different direction without them.  But first, I want to tell you what was conveyed to me by someone I trust implicitly.  Someone you would trust without question as well if I could give you their name.  Someone who has more than enough inside knowledge of what was going on in camp.

According to a source that I have one of the Dolphins players in the secondary informed someone outside the media that they weren’t shocked by the release of Davis.  In fact, as it was told to me, Davis could have been cut.   Released to make an example of.  Davis’ attitude was not good and according to this player, Davis simply didn’t seem to care and other players were sensing it.  So why would anyone publicly go out of their way to express “shock and awe” over a move that according to one person was really not a surprise?  Because players don’t call out their own teammates.

Even the player who gave out this info that ended up with my source publicly stated that they were a little surprised by the move.  Yet they weren’t.  Teammates become friends, they become family, and you protect your family.  But all this talk isn’t winning the Dolphins any games.  If we take a look at the core issue in Miami, we can start to sort out some of what is going wrong.

Will Allen not being re-signed was a no-brainer at the time.  He was making too much money, older, and his production had declined significantly.  Yeremiah Bell was released because they Dolphins owed him 4.5 million dollars this season.  A level of compensation that Bell was playing under.   Then came Brandon Marshall.  Still today, players are upset that the Dolphins traded him for two 3rd round picks.  Still today, so are a lot of fans.

Yet what exactly did Marshall do in Miami that made him so rarely indispensable?  His statistics were not crowd pleasing.  His receptions were down, he dropped what appeared to be more TD passes than actual receptions for scores.  Off-field he had several issues that in his two off-seasons kept him away from OTA’s and voluntary workouts.  At the line of scrimmage he pleaded for the ball yet failed to get open more often than finding a lane, didn’t have blazing speed and the best use of his body shielding CB’s came in the Pro-Bowl where he couldn’t be touched.

This is who the players are upset about losing?  Where was Brandon Marshall the leader, the role model, the teacher for the younger guys learning to play the game?  The same youngsters who now are struggling to make a roster that is virtually depleted of talent?

Chad Johnson was a showboat yet his release brought Jake Long, Reggie Bush, and Karlos Dansby into the coaches office for a heart to heart.  This Chad Johnson was their friend.  That kind of cool bar buddy who has always a good one liner and the confidence to get everyone a woman.  Yet on the field, he dropped passes, he ran the wrong routes, struggled with the playbook.  Last year in New England he had the lowest reception count of his career and was knocked for not learning his playbook.  He failed to learn his plays in Miami, dropped the F-Bomb like it could bring an end to world violence, mocked his coach with a Twitter avatar, and then for good measure head-butted his wife who was angry over a receipt for condoms she found his car.

This is who Karlos and his other two “leaders” were upset over?  This is the guy that sent Dansby to local radio complaining about the move and his coach?  This is the guy that had some in the locker-room dissenting?

Vontae Davis is a nice guy.  I know that first hand because I met him.  I carried a bag for him to his hotel room when his hands were full with the Dolphins playbook a few years back.  I was the one who pushed the elevator button for him, and he was a very outgoing young man.  You know what else he was?  Lazy.  Not solely evidenced by this years HK but by his lack of production last year.  His inability to come to camp in shape, something that happened again this season.  He showed up to a practice last season drunk.  He is the same guy who as a former first round pick should be leading the team in his 3rd year, not telling a teammate below him that he needs to “act” like he knows what he is doing.  Vontae’ Davis has worldly talent but can’t seem to find a way to use it.  He is average who at times can show flashes of being better.  Yet he recedes just as fast.

And this is who some of the Dolphins are complaining about losing?

The fact is this, outside of Dansby, Guyton, Bush, and any other I failed to mention, this team is comprised of players who know only losing.  Jake Long doesn’t know anything but losing, nor does Sean Smith, Jared Odrick, Koa Misi, Nolan Carroll, or any of the WR’s.  They all know how to lose.  Teams that lose look towards their veterans to learn to win.  Davis didn’t know how to win anymore than Allen, Bell, or Marshall did.

The make-up of this team is young guys that were drafted yet those players that were drafted and were expected to be premium players now, wasted valuable years failing.  Joe Philbin has to turn this team around and he needs to do it quickly.  Some will say you don’t do that by getting rid of your best players but your best players on a losing team that don’t help you win are not worth anything.  Davis didn’t help this team win.  Nor did Marshall, Bell, and Allen.

And neither has Karlos Dansby.

The truth is, the vocal leader of this team, the guy that goes on the news, the radio, and tells reporters he doesn’t know what the team is doing, is the same leader who showed up 25 pounds overweight last year, didn’t get into a rhythm until the season was already lost and never vocally stood up to take control of the team, let alone the defense.  If Karlos Dansby was such a leader, shouldn’t he have been in Vontae’s face from the first day of camp getting him in line?  Should he not have been voicing his concerns to Davis instead of complaining about the fact that he is gone?

The Miami Dolphins may not be a good football team this year and they have an upward climb if next year will be terrifically different.  But changes need to made.  Some for the salary cap, some for a younger guy, and some simply to change the attitude and beliefs in the team.  The Dolphins are not trading away core players that they can’t live without.  They are trading away players who haven’t come close to becoming the player or the leader they are supposed to be.  Davis was the 2nd best defender last year, but on a team that had little to no defense does it really matter?

That’s like saying Chad Johnson was the best WR the Dolphins had on their roster, but could have made the roster on any of the other 31 teams?  Not likely.

Leaders lead, the Dolphins need to find leaders.  Other players need to shut up and get a clue.  The team needs to learn to win and in order to do that you sometimes have to get rid of those that simply don’t know how, or don’t seem to care enough to find out.

Fans want to point a finger at management, that’s fine.  I understand.  Ireland specifically was involved in the Davis drafting as well as the other questionable draft picks since coming to Miami.  You make mistakes you move on.  But you don’t keep the mistakes as a reminder.  That is something fans need to let go of.  Some of these moves may not be all that popular but ask yourself how those that are gone helped this team become a winning team?  How they helped make each side of the ball completely better as well as those who played surrounding them?  I would argue that none of them elevated the play of those surrounding them.  Aside from Yeremiah Bell.

 

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  • bullrush

    Yea that’s right us fans are stupid and should just shut up. After all we have a boy genius in Ireland who will now make good draft choices and I’m sure Ross is right when he says they’re going to retire Tan’s number one day. Oh yea he was also right about Henne, except that’s all on the OC because he would have been HOF someday…. and we should also follow whatever coach Philbin does and wants since he’s proven himself as a awesome HC. What a joke

    • phinatic

      OR… you can keep hating… you can keep crying, and you can keep thinking you know better than management because you played madden successfully or were good last year in FANTASY football. You can keep doing what youre doing, which is being a hater of the team hiding behind a facade of ” I am a fan I have the right to be pissed”. You have no rights to the team, no rights to the moves and no rights to do anything other than to cheer as a fan or hate like a hater. That is it. Get over yourself. Keep whining over what a billionaire does with his team…because you could do it so much better. Here is a protip for all you Ireland haters… take a look at bilicheats drafts over the same time as ireland. See what he has done aside from his two tight ends in the same draft. find me his gems. You are supposed to support joe because he is the coach, because he hasnt proven himself a failure. You are not a fan, youre just another hater that the phins can do without. You are cancer, and the money you may or may not spend on season tickets is not worth the venom you spew. The teams future is better off without the likes of you, as it is better off without the likes of the players that are gone.. and will be gone. Good day.

      • bullrush

        LMAO! Sounds like I struck a nerve? Get over yourself and your childish loyalty at any cost. The team is a product and right now that product is not worth two cents.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Glenn-Foster/100003114671004 Glenn Foster

          go away sad little man you didnt strike a nerve peoples just had enough of you,peroid. BYE. take the hint

          • Cerulean

            No you go away, you add nothing to the discussion and seem like a really big asshole.

      • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.scalzo Douglas M. Scalzo

        100% agree with you phinatic. I am tired of so called fans like bullrush that claim they are a fan but you NEVER hear anything at all positive come out of them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Glenn-Foster/100003114671004 Glenn Foster

      another loser from the FIRE IRELAND PLANE , crawl back in your hole were you haters belong its partly because of egos like you our team has kept sinking in careector and pride, and now change is here so sad little man just go away!!!!!

      • Brian

        The fans should rent a plane and have another protest. We are the new Cleveland Browns

    • txmedic5

      Not really. But it is Philbins job if these moves don’t eventually make the team better. Addition by subtraction. As I said earlier, if you have players in key positions who only play 100 percent half of the time you are teaching the younger guys that it is o.k to play at that level all of the time.

  • Danny

    You are right on!…..us fans and the players should be pissed not at the organization but at all these players that have let us all down and thus the team wisely had to get rid of……although I always loved Yeremiah……love our coaches this year……..hope the OLine does its job well……then the WR’s, RB’s, TE’s and QB’s will be able to show what they can do

  • Rj

    This is the best synapsis I hae read on this situation. Period.

  • bpppadre

    Outstanding. Thanks for voicing this. Changing from losing to winning is serious surgery and a lot of it involves creating a new culture.

    • gofins60

      I agree! It’s been a long time since we Dolphin fans had any hope for a return to the top of the division where we belong. I’m tired of the constant losing year after year. Yes, at times we were competitive, but these same players always seemed to come up short at the end of the game. How many close games were lost in the final minutes? Too many! Winners fight their way over that hump and pull out the victory, but this team usually folded when the game was on the line.

      Having someone lay down the law and clean house is just what this franchise needed. I actually have hope that this team will be a lot better by next season, so I don’t mind that this year will be a “work in progress”.

  • bullrush

    Let’s just cut all the players that don’t have the right “attitude” and keep all those second tier guys who have the right “attitude” and play like crap. That’s the ticket! What a moronic idea but it doesn’t surprise me coming from this writer who thinks Henne was going to be our future.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Glenn-Foster/100003114671004 Glenn Foster

      it worked in green bay, and I bet players change after a few hit the road, and that crap about not wanting to play in Miami ,please you work your whole life to play in the nfl any oone who plays the manning game desrves what they get, this isnt the *0s any mora be a pro or stay home, Divas are a dieing breed in the NFL

    • txmedic5

      what’s the point of having players on the team who don’t have the heart to give 100% everytime they take the field. Marshall didn’t nor did Davis. The facts are facts. If your team is comprised of key players that have that attitude, then that attitude is what the young guys are going to learn from. If you have a losing mentality, you breed losing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gehauze Gene Hauze

    Great article Brian. After seeing Hard Knocks, I cannot believe some of these players. I was a fan of Thomas. But, after finding out his transgressions, I have to wonder what the heck is wrong with this kid. If I remember correctly, he has a very strong family background. I hope his parents give him a call and chew his butt out after watching Hard Knocks. If I was his father, I would certainly do so — he brought shame the family name. Maybe they knew about it before today and that is why Thomas ran so well in the Falcons game.

    With regards to Davis, the picture was worth a thousand words. The look on his face when he was told that he was being traded was like I cannot believe this is happening to me. He looked like someone who had everything handed to him in life and was constantly praised. And when he was handed a setback in life, a wake up call, what was the first thing he said? I want to call my Grandma? Can you believe it? It was like he was going to cry on Grandma’s shoulder. I am glad he is gone. I was glad to see that Ireland could admit the mistake in drafting him. I was really happy to see that Philbin and Ireland were on the same page. I am now thrilled that the Dolphins got a second round pick for him … and … a conditional sixth rounder.

    I also came away from Hard Knocks wondering why teammates were sticking up for these guys — Johnson and Davis. I was shocked that team leaders were not getting in the face of these guys. You can only imagine what guys like Csonka, Nick Bo, and Marino would have done with some of these prima donnas. I am thinking even less now about Parcells — how could he have drafted these guys. I’ll bet this kind of crap does not happen up in NE or in PITT.

    I’d be willing to bet that Dansby will be next and soon. I would be more than willing to help carry his stuff out of the facility. Some people just never know when to keep their big fat mouth shut. I played ball about 35 years ago and their was an unwritten rule that everyone knew … what happened in the locker room, stayed in the locker room … you NEVER dirtied the team laundry in public. Between then and today, I further learned in business, you never criticize the boss in public. I guess this is just another thing that kids aren’t learning in college.

  • Ctdogg

    Obviously the author is ignorant saying dansbynand the dolphins don’t have any defense. Obviously he didn’t check thebstarbsheets from last year

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Glenn-Foster/100003114671004 Glenn Foster

      look at the teams they got the stats against, be honest, this team needed help on both sides of the ball and we have a coach trying to make that happen and he has to put up with fans like you who wont face the truth.GO FIN NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • txmedic5

      Dansby and the Dolphins defense didn’t show up until mid-way through the season. It’s easy to play loose when you have nothing to lose. Having a front line that is 3rd against the run is great, but being ranked near the bottom in sacks and passing isn’t. Dansby is supposed to be a leader, yet he shows up 25 pounds overweight and out of shape? That isn’t a leader.

  • SadDolphin

    I don’t blame the players one bit. Its one thing to get rid of guys if you bring in someone to replace them but it’s another to just get rid of talent with no replacement. Yeah Marshall wasn’t the best teammate but was clearly our best receiver. Who’s replacing him? VD is only 24 and ultra talented yet we gave him up for a 2nd rounder. Considering how well Ireland uses his 2nd rounders it’s hard to have faith he’s not gonna pick another bust. This has gotten ridiculous. I blame Ireland for the toxic atmosphere he’s created around the team. Get rid of the guy. He has no clue what he’s doing. These are his players! He picked them! And the majority suck. Now the few talented players we do have are griping because of the way our GM conducts business. He’s running us into the ground and some of you don’t see it. You still defend him! Smh people, this is ALL on Ireland.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Glenn-Foster/100003114671004 Glenn Foster

      what a sad little man its easier to blame Ireland than be honest the players never panned out ability and raw talent does not mean good you got to have the soul, and desire to improve to make a difference and some players never get past the ME factor because thats all they ever been toldits sad but true

      • saddolphib

        And who decided to add those me first players to the team? That jack ass Ireland. Hold that idiot as accountable the players. Its his job to find the RIGHT players to put a winning product on the field. Jesus, some of you are like sheep being led to slaughter. OPEN YOUR EYES.

  • bob

    It’s time for Dansby to go to!
    He’s overrated and over paid.
    Quite frankly,I’ve had enough of his mouth!

  • bob

    I hope Mr. Ross and coach Philbin have the smarts and the guts to get rid of Dansby. He’s a prime example of why some teams never win. He thinks he’s smarter than the coach and the management. The Dolphins foolishly paid him the big bucks and he’s been a big flop! Send him to Jamarkus Russel or whatever his name is and let them party together and laugh all the way to the bank at the foolish owners who paid them the big bucks after which they they quit on their team, run down the management, report to camp overweight and out of shape, etc. Put A. Spitler in there, at least he shows heart!

  • Zilnoman

    Brain,

    It is so go to read an article on the current state of the
    Phins that is looking at this in the proper light. I find it very interesting how
    so many people on the blogs and around the internet get so mad no matter what
    the Phins do. The truth of the matter is that the fan base is just shell
    shocked and like to look at the Phins past 30-40 years through rose colored
    glasses. The early 70’s were great, the 80’s were good, and when Marino was
    here you saw the impact of what on HoF QB could do to hide the deficiencies of
    a whole team throughout most of Marino’s career (90’s). Then we have the pain
    of the last 10 years or so and very little to cheer about. Now I feel we
    finally have a coach and staff that is trying to get the Phins pointed back in
    the right direction and with that will be change, some you agree with some you won’t.

    Let’s start on offense, we have a HQ who
    ran one of the best offences in all of football trying to take a hard look of
    what he has to work with on the current roster and mold the offense into a
    group of men who can do what he knows works in today’s NFL. Folks this is going
    to take 2-3 seasons and from what it looks like he found the key part of the
    equation in Tannehill, now it is just building the components for a top offence
    around him. I agreed with trading Marshall he was not a fit, what is going to
    be funny to watch this year is when Marshall has some early success in Chicago
    and we struggle as any new offense does starting out the year. It will be fun
    to watch people on the web lose their minds. Than watch what happens when
    Marshall implodes as he always does at some point and you will see those same
    people say how great the move was.

    As to the move to trade Vontae, I think this was a great
    move. Here is why; Kevin Coyle is known throughout the NFL as one of the best if
    not the best secondary coaches in all of football. This is a coach who
    constantly had one of the best secondary’s with the Bengals and he was on board with the trade. Not only was
    Vontae not getting it he was demoted to the second string. Before you start; yes
    he has massive talent, but in the NFL if you don’t have the work ethic to match
    the talent you will only be average at best. That all being said you could see
    from Hard Knocks last night that the Ireland and the staff really wanted Vontae
    to succeed, but they did not see him as a long term fit and had the courage to
    admit the failure and move on.

    Look folks the Phins are bad team and have been for a while,
    no one on the current roster from the old team that is cut/traded should be a
    shock. I would be more worried if we didn’t have massive turnover on the roster
    and if you watched how Vontae played in the preseason I am shocked we got a 2nd/conditional
    6th rounder for him. Maybe after the trade he turned into a great player with
    the Colts, but I don’t think it is going to happen. He will be good not great
    and I think Coyle will be able to find someone to replace him.

    Before Jimmy built Dallas into a dynasty what it was he went
    1-15 then 7-9 before things turned around. In the process he turned over most
    of the Dallas roster including trading there best player at the time Herschel
    Walker. At the time most of Dallas’s fans lost their minds when he did it. I am
    not saying the Coach Philbin is Jimmy, but it is something to think about.

  • Zilnoman

    Brain,

    It is so go to read an article on the current state of the
    Phins that is looking at this in the proper light. I find it very interesting how
    so many people on the blogs and around the internet get so mad no matter what
    the Phins do. The truth of the matter is that the fan base is just shell
    shocked and like to look at the Phins past 30-40 years through rose colored
    glasses. The early 70’s were great, the 80’s were good, and when Marino was
    here you saw the impact of what on HoF QB could do to hide the deficiencies of
    a whole team throughout most of Marino’s career (90’s). Then we have the pain
    of the last 10 years or so and very little to cheer about. Now I feel we
    finally have a coach and staff that is trying to get the Phins pointed back in
    the right direction and with that will be change, some you agree with some you won’t.

    Let’s start on offense, we have a HQ who
    ran one of the best offences in all of football trying to take a hard look of
    what he has to work with on the current roster and mold the offense into a
    group of men who can do what he knows works in today’s NFL. Folks this is going
    to take 2-3 seasons and from what it looks like he found the key part of the
    equation in Tannehill, now it is just building the components for a top offence
    around him. I agreed with trading Marshall he was not a fit, what is going to
    be funny to watch this year is when Marshall has some early success in Chicago
    and we struggle as any new offense does starting out the year. It will be fun
    to watch people on the web lose their minds. Than watch what happens when
    Marshall implodes as he always does at some point and you will see those same
    people say how great the move was.

    As to the move to trade Vontae, I think this was a great
    move. Here is why Kevin Coyle is known throughout the NFL as one of the best if
    not the best secondary coaches in all of football. This is a coach who
    constantly had one of the best secondary’s with the Bengals and he was on board with the trade. Not only was
    Vontae not getting it he was demoted to the second string. Before you start yes
    he has massive talent, but in the NFL if you don’t have the work ethic to match
    the talent you will only be average at best. That all being said you could see
    from Hard Knocks last night that the Ireland and the staff really wanted Vontae
    to succeed, but they did not see him as a long term fit and had the courage to
    admit the failure and move on.

    Look folks the Phins are bad team and have been for a while,
    no one on the current roster from the old team that is cut/traded should be a
    shock. I would be more worried if we didn’t have massive turnover on the roster
    and of you watched how Vontae played in the preseason I am shocked we got a 2nd/conditional
    6th rounder for him. Maybe after the trade he turned into a great player with
    the Colts, but I don’t think it is going to happen. He will be good not great
    and I think Coyle will be able to find someone to replace him.

    Before Jimmy built Dallas into a dynasty what it was he went
    1-15 then 7-9 before things turned around. In the process he turned over most
    of the Dallas roster including trading there best player at the time Herschel
    Walker. At the time most of Dallas’s fans lost their minds when he did it. I am
    not saying the Coach Philbin is Jimmy, but it is something to think about.

  • Mike Miller

    Great article! Agree 100%. I love the approach by the coaching staff & management: potential doesn’t trump production. They’re building a team of dedicated professionals and unrealized talent doesn’t buy players a pass.

    I have to ask: how do you know if Dansby tried to intervene with Vontae or not? Just because we haven’t seen it on Hard Knocks doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.

    FFM @ FinNation

  • Formative

    It looks like the organization is in free fall. What players did Ireland draft besides Long? What GM in the NFL would keep his job with this pathetic drafting year in and year out. Ross is also to blame, he has no idea how to run a franchise. He said Henne could make people forget about Marino. Bahhaahahhaha!

  • txmedic5

    I just want to say I have no idea what I’m talking about and my articles are pathetic excuses for writing. Let me also say I’m the only fan of the Phins who is loyal and stupid at the same time.