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Dec 23, 2012; Miami Gardens, FL, USA; Miami Dolphins offensive line coach Jim Turners (left) listens to head coach Joe Philbin in the second half at Sun Life Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Robert Mayer-USA TODAY Sports

Dolphins Fire Turner, O’Neill


 

So while I am sitting in a parking lot some two hours away from my computer, word breaks that the Miami Dolphins have finally made a decision.  Tonight they fired both Oline coach Jim Turner and head trainer Kevin O’Neill.  Tomorrow, for the first time since the season ended, Joe Philbin will take a podium and answer questions about the entire ordeal.  Whether he likes it or not.

Somewhere Armando Salguero is smiling after his open letter to Philbin asked for him to do so.  You have to wonder though who’s choice meeting with the media actually was.  My money is Stephen Ross.

O’Neill has been with the Dolphins for 18 years.  An original hire by Jimmy Johnson who brought O’Neill with him from Dallas.  In a statement by Ross, it was made clear that while both members of the staff were good people, their decisions were not.  Ross has vowed to clean up the teams image but that has been going on for a while.

Many still believe that Philbin also should have been released of his duties considering his lack of knowledge and control over his team.  It will be interesting to see what happens after the upcoming season.  Ironically, despite the fact that both Turner and O’Neill have been fired, both should have an easier time finding a lateral move in the NFL that Philbin will if he is fired after the 2014 season.

The Dolphins will likely promote John Benton who was recently signed.  Benton was formerly with the Houston Texans.  This off-season for Miami has not been a good one for Joe Philbin who has been forced to fire his personal mentor and friend Mike Sherman and now his Oline coach Jim Turner.

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  • Miami Jules (Julian)

    Last season, after the draft and free agency, I was willing to be quiet about Ireland and let the season implicate him as the cause of continuing losing seasons, or vindicate him. I was pretty happy about the FA signings, although I wasn’t sure what the cost of the LB switch in terms of performance would be. I was thrilled with Keller, for whose signing I was enthusiastically advocating. I wasn’t crazy about the draft, but lots of fans assured that Martin had gained weight during the off season and the OL would be fine, after all, Clabo was a former pro-bowler. When I went to 3 of the open to the public work outs, I knew my initial gut feeling hadn’t failed me and that we had OL issues. I still waited and withheld any negative comments about Ireland until the season was over.

    Now, I will let Philbin either rise or fall with no one to either praise or blame but himself. Draft choices will give me an early indication of how I will feel and so will FA signings. I plan to attend the open to the public work outs this year, if I possibly can, and my impressions from that will also contribute to either my optimism or pessimism, but again, I will try to hold my tongue either way, hopefully until the end of the season. I want the Dolphins to win, regardless of who the decision makers are. I will say this much, I am not thrilled with Philbin comment about Sherman BUT, that could be attributed to a display of loyalty for the public’s sake only while something else happened behind close doors, but again, I will withhold my own judgment on him until hopefully near the end of next season.

    • tpl

      Yeah, and Turner apparently cannot teach anyone nor create a good offensive line. I am glad Miami was able to hire Benton, who should assemble a good line.

      • Miami Jules (Julian)

        What gets me some times is that some of the very same people who were calling for Turner to be fired because he was close with Sherman and Philbin at the end of the season, are now crying foul because he was fired after the Wells report… Turner is now gone and hopefully now Miami will draft and or sign and hire, people with better character that promote team cohesiveness.

        • Miami Jules (Julian)

          I’ll add one final point while trying desperately to not incriminate myself too much, and retain my sense of privacy as much as I can while not being limited to 140 characters, but the talk on Twitter is driving me crazy.

          1- I used to be a coach/instructor and I was tough on my students, often yelling and shouting out insults which at times included questions about their physical, mental and character fortitude while using foul language I wouldn’t even use with my closest pals. That’s the way it is, HOWEVER, while saying things like “As long as you’re here you a#@ is mine” is appropriate in and during class or competition time, saying you’re my B*tch” is NOT, especially outside the training facility or locker room. keep in mind I was the instructor not a fellow student.

          2- I have called my class “.. a bunch of girly girls” and that was OK, BUT describing an actual sexual act or actual sexual preference is NOT. You’re trying to build character and harden the athlete as a disciplined individual, NOT humiliate the self-esteem out of them.

          3-The use of sexual jokes about someone’s family member ISN’T EVER acceptable in or out of the locker room… EVER!

          4- I was a pledge and endured “Hell Week” in a fraternity full of mostly football players, and I was hit, harassed and insulted NEVER was my mother mentioned.

          The above doesn’t apply to the military during training camp, there’s a reason for that and your drill instructor is using techniques which could end up saving your life in a real combat situation, along with blind obedience for the purpose of unit cohesiveness. The NFL is NOT the armed forces during boot camp.

          • balcobomber25

            I have been through football, hockey and military boot camp were the instructors have said far worse than what Turner said to Martin. Sex jokes about family members happen in every single locker room from high school to the pros. They happen in everyday life between freinds at work and at bars. Spend 15 minutes around a group of college students and you will hear far worse than what was in this report.

          • Miami Jules (Julian)

            … Like I expressed above, the drill instructor in boot camp is exempt… a high school or college for that matter, teammate tells sexual joke about my family, and he is about to spend some real “getting really acquainted quality time” with me, in or outside the locker room … win lose or draw, he will remember the occasion. Not knowing what over the top and excessive is not being tough… all the contrary, is lacking the discipline to recognize boundaries, Jason Taylor, Mark Schlereth and others would back that up since they publically already have and they are not considered to be “softies” are they.

            I’ll tell you what though, New England can have them all, but I have a feeling, even Belachick would know this isn’t just a matter of making a fit out of a Randy Moss or an “Ocho-cinco” and would stay away from them.

  • balcobomber25

    Good to see that 4 people now have lost their jobs because of one emotionally unstable individual. I don’t condone the actions of Incognito but Martin is just as much to blame for how out of hand this whole thing became. As a Patriots fan I would take Turner and Incognito in a heart beat on my team.

    • tpl

      Incognito is a locker room cancer. His career in the NFL is likely over.

      • balcobomber25

        Every guy from that locker room backed Incognito throughout this. He is an immature idiot but the only locker room cancer is JM. NFL GM’s will take a chance on Incognito before they do so on Martin. GM’s would rather deal with a loudmouth idiot, than a ticking time bomb who at any minute could go off and air all of the teams dirty laundry to anyone who will listen. And of course in the NFL it all comes down to talent. If you can play, they will pay. If Mike Vick came back from a prison stint to land a job, Incognito can land one after hurting someone’s feelings.

        • Pentax Shooter

          So, say you were mugged by a gang and your wallet was lifted. The police catch the perps and the guy who stole your wallet said he didn’t, and his mates back him. You see where I’m going with this…?

          BTW, Incognito is the guy with the history of being a “ticking time bomb”; he went to therapy for his anger issues, and apparently it hasn’t helped too much.

          • balcobomber25

            Say you were arrested for mugging somebody, all your friends were there to witness it and say it didn’t really happen that way. The person accusing you has a long history of mental illness and sever emotional issues. See where I am going with this…?

    • Pentax Shooter

      Wait, you cite the “one emotionally unstable individual” and then you want your team to sign him? Is this a joke? He’s not even that good – average at best – and sexually assaulted a woman who was a volunteer at a team function.

      • Miami Jules (Julian)

        Sure Martin gave up a lot of sacks (not as many as Clabo but OK, he did give up sacks) but the double A Gap rush up the middle came from Incognito and while he might’ve not given up as many sacks as Martin or Clabo it was his assignments who kept bring up the pressure up the middle which made Tannehill have to take a second look up field and delay his progression and check downs until eventually the ends protection collapsed. Add the fact that RI is not the prototypical zone blocker. I was never convinced about Martin as the answer to the OL, and don’t like the way Martin handled his end after reading the Wells report, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that Incognito and the other culprits, fail to recognize boundaries of common locker room decent behavior.

  • tpl

    Good Riddance. This should provide an example that this kind of stuff shouldn’t happen. Just hoping Philbin pays more attention to whats happening in the locker room, otherwise, he’ll be gone after this year.

  • Chris

    I still don’t think the HC should be fired because 3 O-Linemen were picking on Martin and McDonald. It’s the NFL, Jesus…Was anybody saying that Bill Belicheck should’ve been fired after spy gate? Or Sean Payton after the bounty scandal? Those are much, much more serious offenses in my mind. “Martin and McDonald were being picked on and Philbin didn’t know so he should be fired.” That’s ridiculous to me. Oh, boo hoo, they gave McDonald a male blow up doll. Let’s suspend our Pro Bowl Center, fire the HC and continue cleaning house because a couple pansies got their wittle feewings hurt.

    • Pentax Shooter

      There’s a huge difference in results and cred when comparing Belichick and Payton with Philbin. They’ve earned the “benefit of the doubt”, Philbin hasn’t.

      • Chris

        Spying + bounties are a huge difference in severity than not knowing a couple of your O-Linemen are being “bullied” and also can’t stick up for themselves and/or voice their discomfort in a mature and direct way.